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I am reading Richard Dolan's book "UFO's and the National Security State, Volume One" and I came across a section about James Forrestal. I had come across his tragic story before. He was the first Secretary of State as the armed forces were brought together after WWII. What makes him unique is that he seemed to have a serious mental breakdown and to have killed himself by hanging himself from the window of the National Naval Medical Hospital in Bethesda. But there are many inconsistencies to these events. Why did he kill himself on the day of his release? Why did his brother deny that he had a mental breakdown? Why was the bathroom sash wrapped around his neck but not tied to the radiator, supposedly breaking and sending him on a fall down several stories? This was a turbulent time on many fronts, intelligence agencies fighting each other, military branches fighting each other, the rise of Israel, the cold war with Communism intensifying and then the constant detection of UFO's just added to the confusion. With many theories going around on who may have killed him, Zionists, Communists, domestic intelligence agencies, domestic military agencies, I was wondering if the Zeta's could shed some light on what happened. Was he killed for what he knew? He had stated that he was going to write a book once he left the hospital. According to the intelligence sources at the time, it was stated that the secrecy level of UFO's was "two steps higher than the H-bomb." As the Zeta's have mentioned, this was the critical period in time that extraterrestrials, both good and bad, had made contact with the U.S. government. Was he involved in this contact that closely? [and from another] http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword07x.htm One of the documents is a purported 1947 memo from President Harry S. Truman to Secretary of Defense James Forrestal that sets up a top-secret U.S. government operation called "Majestic Twelve" to investigate extraterrestrials. [and from another] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Forrestal James Vincent Forrestal (February 15, 1892 - May 22, 1949) was the last Cabinet-level United States Secretary of the Navy and the first United States Secretary of Defense. In 1947, President Harry S. Truman appointed him the first United States Secretary of Defense. In 1949, angered over Forrestal's continued opposition to his defense economization policies, and concerned about reports in the press over his mental condition, Truman abruptly asked Forrestal to resign. By March 31, 1949, Forrestal was out of a job. President Truman's decision to dismiss him as Secretary of Defense on March 31, 1949 is said to have caused him to suffer a "nervous breakdown", a charge denied by Forrestal's brother. [and from another] http://www.keyholepublishing.com/Death%20of%20James%20Forrestal.htm The sensitivity of the UFO problem meant that Forrestal's mental deterioration was a real security risk.

Forrestal was of course thrown or dropped to his death, after having been drugged to silence any screams, as has long been suspected. Drugging and institutionalizing someone is a favored means of silencing a leak. In some cases the leak complies and is spared, but in most cases the issue progresses to an assassination. The only issue open for speculation in Forrestal's case is the exact reason for his death sentence. After having been given such a central role in the formation of the new Department of Defence, and in the formulation of MJ12 under the direction of President Truman, how did he fall out of favor and who had the authority to order his death?
正如人们长期以来所怀疑的,在被进行施放药物使其保持安静之后,福雷斯特尔最终当然是被人杀死的。施药和模式化某个人是一种防止消息泄露的很好的手段。在某些情况下泄密者变得顺从而被饶恕,但是大多数情况下问题会演变至暗杀。人们对福雷斯特尔事件唯一的猜测是他的死亡裁决的真正原因。在被授予 在新国防部编制 和 在杜鲁门总统直接指挥下的MJ12组织 中如此重要的角色之后,他是怎样变得失宠而又是谁有那么大的权力来宣判他的死刑?
This was a case where Forrestal became arrogant and over confident in the power he wielded. He knew where the bodies were buried, so to speak, and was completely versed in the full history of the Roswell saga. Truman wanted to enforce fiscal restraint on the burgeoning DOD, and Forrestal resisted. Forrestal also feared being removed by the new incoming President Elect, Dewey. We have relayed that the rules within MJ12 were such that members signed an agreement that they could be killed if they stood to profit by their membership or were about to reveal the existence of the organization or any secrets it possessed. Thus Forrestal's death sentence had been signed by none other than his own hand!

实际情况是福雷斯特尔变得傲慢自大并且高估了他所行使的权力。可以这么说,他知道尸体埋到了哪里,并且完全知晓罗斯威尔传奇的所有历史。杜鲁门想要强迫新兴的国防部进行财政紧缩,而福雷斯特尔拒绝。福雷斯特尔同样害怕被尚未就职的当选总统杜威撤职。我们转达过,MJ12内部的规矩,每个成员都签署了协议,一旦某人利用他们的成员资格谋取利益或是将要透露该组织的存在或是任何他们所占有的秘密,他就会被杀掉。因此福雷斯特尔的死亡审判不是别人正是他自己亲手写下的!

Can the Zetas give an explanation of the Bell Witch Haunting in Tennessee 1817-1828? What was this being that terrorized the Bell family? The Zetatalk explanation of Poltergeists does seem to explain some early things like the wall knockings and bed sheets pulling but not all happenings here. How could the being appear as animals, give physical abuse, develop a voice and have intelligent conversations, shake hands with people, stop horses and carriages from moving... etc. like the Pat Fitzhugh book The Bell Witch: The Full Account and other books claim to have happened? http://www.bellwitch.org/home.htm [and from another] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Witch According to the legend, the first reported manifestation of the haunting occurred in 1817 when John Bell, Sr., encountered a strange animal in a cornfield on his large farm in Robertson County, on the Red River, near Adams, Tennessee. Bell shot at the animal, described as having the body of a dog and the head of a rabbit. At a later date the Bell family claimed to hear knocking and gnawing noises on the outside walls of their house. These noises eventually moved inside the dwelling. Some time after the noises began, Betsy Bell (the family's youngest daughter) claimed to have been assaulted by an invisible force. The legend continues with the poltergeist gaining strength, moving various objects about, speaking and having conversations with the family and guests. It identified itself as "Kate Batts", a neighbor of the Bells that John had apparently upset in some way.

(《贝尔女巫杀人事件》这个电影是根据真实的故事改编的,真实的故事经过大家可以百度下)

The Bell Witch story is a classic example of poltergeist activity, and though carried forward with some exaggeration, particularly in the movie rendition, is a true story. As we have explained, poltergeist is produced from the Theta brain waves of a very angry person. Those humans capable of producing these waves to the degree necessary at times learn to demonstrate this on the stage, moving objects sufficiently to amaze the audience. But such demonstrations rarely reach the drama of the real thing - rage, great fury, unleashed.
贝尔女巫的故事是 敲击作响的鬼 的典型例子,而且尽管故事演变得有些夸张,特别是在电影的演绎中,这仍然是一个真实的故事。正如我们已经解释过的,有鬼怪在敲击作响 的现象是由某个十分愤怒的人的θ脑波引起的。有些人有能力制造这些脑波达到在舞台上证明出来的程度,明显地移动物体让观众大吃一惊。但是此类展示很少达到真实情况----愤怒,狂暴,释放。
The Bell Witch saga has been correctly analyzed to point to Betsy, who was molested by her socially prominent father. Betsy was unable to accuse her father in the society of the day, and feared repeated molestations, rape in fact. Any attempt by the family or friends to rid the household of the entity throwing objects about failed as the entity was within Betsy, who was the victim. That a witch was suspected was due to the truth being known to the slaves and thus a neighbor woman with a grudge against the father appeared to be cursing him. The poltergeist activity only abated when the truth came out and the father was in decline.

贝尔女巫传奇事件指向贝琪的分析是正确的,她受到她那社交方面十分杰出的父亲的骚扰。在当时的社会贝琪无法指控她的父亲,并且惧怕一次又一次的骚扰,事实上是强间。家人和朋友的所有关于 摆脱掉家中移动物体的实体 的企图都失败了,因为那个实体就在受害者贝琪之中(或者翻译成就是受害者贝琪)。一个女巫受到了怀疑是因为奴隶们所 知道的真像因此一个对贝琪的父亲怀恨在心的邻居女人似乎诅咒了他。鬼怪在敲击作响 的活动直到事实浮出水面并且父亲逐渐衰老之后才逐渐减轻。

I have read the ZetaTalk response to the earth rotational stoppage and see that we would not "fall off" and possible not even notice if the slow down is gradual, but would not the converse be true, that is, would the pressure not build up when the planet's rotation stops if the centrifugal effect of the rotation is to pull us out under normal conditions. Perhaps making one feel "heavy". Maybe I just don't understand the principals of gravitational force completely enough but if someone can enlighten me. I am always aware of the effects of any change to a system when something changes outside of the normal so it would seem to me that something must change during the stoppage, perhaps the Zetas could expand on this.

(自转要是停止你应该感觉更重)

Nancy is not a math person and thus does not translate concepts well in math, but we will say this. To compute the effect of a LACK of centrifugal force on your current state of gravity pull, simply compute the centrifugal force and compare that to the pull of gravity, using your human math. This type of thing was done during the sci.astro debates but Nancy did not drive the math process, merely acted as a debate coordinator. Simplistically put, gravity pulls you down and centrifugal force pulls you outward. Removing the latter should increase the gravity pull slightly but there are other factors at place during this time.
nancy不是数学家所以没办法很好地用数学转达这个观点,但是我们可以这样说。为了计算在当前的重力状态下缺少离心力带来的效果,只需计算离心力并将它与重力相比较,用你们人类的数学。这种事情在科学天文辩论期间就已经完成了但是nancy并没有列出计算过程,仅仅充当了辩论协调员。简单来说,引力拽着你而离心力向外拉你。移除后者之后前者将会稍微增多但是这一次还有其他因素需要纳入考虑。
Folklore reports that the waters heaped high during the pole shift, and we have explained that this is due to the gravity pull of Planet X nearby. After all, the tides on Earth are caused by the gravity of the Moon, overhead, and Planet X is a monster compared to the Moon. This would certainly offset the lack of centrifugal force on the side of the Earth facing Planet X, but what of the dark side of Earth? Here this effect is likewise felt, as the flow of gravity particles toward Planet X is not restrained by the bulk of planet Earth. Gravity particles flow through all physical substance, and the gravity draw toward Planet X pulls from the dark side of Earth, through the center, and on. (其实没太看懂。。。)
民间传说报道在极移期间海水会堆积得很高,而且我们解释过这是由于附近X星的引力拉扯。毕竟地球上的潮汐是头顶上方月球的引力造成的,而跟月球比起来X星简直就是一个巨大的怪物。这当然会抵消地球面对X星一侧所缺少的离心力,但是地球黑夜的一侧(sunlint:好像是这样的,由于X星在地球和太阳的连线上,稍微偏一点点,所以地球面对太阳的一侧就是面对X星的一侧,背对X星的一侧就是没有太阳的一侧)又会怎样?这个效果同样存在,因为朝向X星的引力子的流动并不会受到大部分地球的约束。引力子会穿过所有物理实体,朝向X星的引力牵引会穿过地球中心拉扯着地球的暗面。
Beyond these assurances, what does folklore tell us? It tells us that man neither flattened to the ground, barely able to breath or crawl, nor did he find himself floating off the face of the Earth, suspended as though gravity were nil. In fact, other than heaping waters, folklore has nothing to report! Thus you should conclude that the overall effect on your gravity will be virtually undetectable by you.

除了这些保证之外,民间传说还告诉我们了什么?传说告诉我们人类既没有卧倒在地上,仅仅能够呼吸或是爬行,也没有发现自己飘离地球表面,悬浮在空中就好像重力消失了。事实上,除了海水的堆积,民间传说再就什么都没有了!因此你可以推定在重力方面对你的全部影响事实上你几乎发现不了。

Can the Zetas comment on the mysterious sounds at Costa Rica? http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1751858/pg1 [and from another] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGz489VqHjU [and from another] Strange Sound Heard Throughout Costa Rica [Jan 11] http://www.costaricanewssite.com/strange-sound-heard-throughout-costa-rica Is it the mysterious sound of the so-called coming Apocalypse? Some think that the mysterious sound heard in Costa Rica at around 12:30am this morning is exactly that. It is important to note that this is not the wind nor was it filmed anywhere near the ocean. The sound was heard throughout the entire country from Heredia to Perez Zeledon. The Costa Rica Volcanologist and Seismologist Organization is saying there is no Earth movements recorded at the time of the strange sound.

AUDIO of Costa Rica Drums

哥斯达黎加鼓声音频

There is a subset of the Caribbean Plate called the Panama Plate, though this subset moves as one with the Caribbean Plate. Nevertheless, there is a fault line running through Costa Rica, and during the incessant pressure of the slow moving S American roll, fault lines can pull apart and bang back together again, like clapping. As the recent cold spells in India reveal, the N Pole of Earth is pushed violently away when the Sun is over New Zealand and the magnetic N Pole of Earth (currently over Siberia) comes up over the horizon. This equates to midnight in Costa Rica, which is when the drums were heard. Residents there should get used to these midnight drums, which will be with them for some time.

加勒比板块有一个子版块叫做巴拿马板块,尽管这个板块平时与加勒比板块作为一个整体一起移动。然而,有一条断层线穿过哥斯达黎加,而且在动作缓慢的南美滚动的连续压力之下,断层线会撕开之后又猛撞回到一起,就像是在鼓掌。正如最近印度的春寒所揭示的,当太阳在新西兰上方,地磁北极(当前位于西伯利亚)出现在地平线上时,地球的北极被暴力地推开。这时正值哥斯达黎加的午夜,也就是鼓声被听到的时候。那里的居民恐怕不得不习惯于这些午夜的鼓声,这在一段时间内都会伴随着他们。

My question concerns how the river is very greatly increase the flood (sinking). Satellite view from November 1, 2011. We all remember the flood in Thailand and other countries. The fact is that if it were not for the river, flooding in Thailand would not affect two thirds of the country. The same thing happens in other countries: "Shifts in plates that caused major Himalayan rivers - Brahmaputra" http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/pakistan-satellite-image-flooded-parts-of-southern-pakistan-and Can the Zetas tell how far should stay away from rivers? Mekong and Chao Phraya river so badly swollen that flooded vast territories. We do not know how much the river can swell and flooding vast areas.

Flooding inland in northern Thailand much preceded any sinking in Bangkok, as the inland river blockage was due to a sideways crush the Sunda Plate was experiencing. The pressure on the Sunda Plate is not only a push down, slipping under the curve of the Indo-Australian Plate that runs under Sumatra and Java, but also a push sideways, into accordion folds. This was apparent when the inland flooding in Thailand appeared at the same time a new island near Bali emerged.
泰国北部地区的内陆洪水遥遥领先与曼谷的下沉,因为内陆河的堵塞是由于巽他板块正在经历的向一侧的撞击。巽他板块所承受的压力不仅是下推,滑入苏门答腊和爪哇之下的 印度-澳大利亚板块的曲线 下方,还有向一侧的推力,导致巽他板块手风琴式折叠。这种手风琴式折叠可以从 泰国的内陆洪水 与 巴厘岛附近的新岛屿浮出水面 同时发生这一点,很明显地看出。
We explained that the inland flooding in Thailand was due to blocked river drainage. Mankind is used to thinking of his rivers as though they have always flowed thus, but the meandering course of rivers, written in the landscape, shows this to be otherwise. Rivers flow today to the low land and thence to the sea. But water seeks its level and if the river bottoms heave, preventing draining along the established route, then what? In most cases, an alternate route is taken, but in many cases an inland lake forms until the water climbs high enough that an alternate outlet can be found. How else have inland lakes formed?
我们解释过泰国的内陆洪水是由于河流排水受阻导致的。人类总是以为他们的河流就好像从古至今一直如此流淌着,但是书写在大地表面上的蜿蜒的河道显示了其实并不是这样。现河流向低处流动并在那里进入大海。但是水要寻求水平而如果河床起伏,阻止了既定路线的排水,会发生什么?大多数情况下,河水会选择一条替代路线,但是大多数情况下会形成内陆河直到水位高到足以找到一条替换路线。不然内陆湖还能是怎么形成的?
Such heaving river bottoms, blocking drainage, are most notable of late in Thailand, where a relaxation of the accordion fold there allowed the inland lakes to drain toward Bangkok - the great flood of Bangkok so much in the news of late. This type of blockage, and periodic release of trapped waters, is occurring in S America where mountain building in the North Andes is occurring, and in the Himalayan foothills. This cannot be accurately predicted, as to what river might be blocked, what alternate drainage might be taken, or the length of time the situation might endure. There are simply too many variables!

河床的起伏,阻塞排水,最近在泰国尤为引人注目,手风琴式折叠在那里的缓和允许内陆湖找到出口,排向曼谷----曼谷的大洪水最近常常出现在新闻中。这种类型的阻塞,还有被困住的洪水的定期释放,也发生在南美北安第斯山脉的造山运动,还发生在喜马拉雅的前陆。这种事情无法精确预测,精确到哪条河流会被阻塞,会选择哪条替代的排水路线,或是这种情况将要持续多久。因为变量实在太多了!

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